"You can't sweep it under the rug," he stressed. A daunting task. Those who disobey God go to hell.. We havent found a place since Its kinda scary to be honest. Obviously, I am thankful for anyone who expresses a clear commitment to inerrancy. Unless Im at the event because of my position (being invited to give a talk in my field, for example) I tell them not to use my title. Suddenly, Pete sat bolt upright in his chair, held both his hands up and said something to the effect of I get it! As Ive written before their differences are largely cosmetic. Sometimes I have to get past how terms are used in order to understand better what people are saying and meaning when they say it. [1] Its complicated, depending on the denomination and even more so on the individual church. Other than that, what a lovely story. The bible read dogmatically on the subject is clear God will keep his people from sinning in ongoing patterns. I mean, if these men truly see themselves as depraved, then they could not honestly claim to be able to be ethically and morally suitable to step in and take over the place of the Holy Spirit in the lives of women of Christian conscience. Bill Gates and Microsoft have given us Microsoft Dos 1.0 thru Windows 10. The ties of family and friends are great. The distinction is wholly one of authority, but not one of personal worth. We are actually seeing that right now with the new focus on testosterone. Pete can take critique and take it well because he is really humble. No problem. You should see my first copy of her book. I did not know that some churches would deny membership to homosexuals base on SSA, but probably some would based on sexual behavior. Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, located in Carrollton, Texas, is a church offering Christ-centered teaching and, various kinds of services to its neighborhood and around the world. We used to refer to my grandparents church as such and such Baptist country club. Hardly, a Baptist practice which believes and teaches persuasion as the only means of converting a person to another view point. What transpired at that meeting still brings tears to my eyes. Their brief talk was a model of good disagreement. In addition, make sure it has enough filtered bright light. . You will note that BTBF is premillennial in their statement. Briscoe and the elders do not wish to do that. In short, it teaches readers to stand in judgement over scripture. roebuck wrote: Like I said, I dont know Dennys actual beliefs one way or the other on Calvinism, but I do appreciate the Christian hospitality he shows commenters on his blog who come from different view points. After a bit more discussion, the recommendation to the church was unanimous that the constitution should be permissive. Would you please email me? "I have a theory why so many pastors burn out: They start out walking with Jesus but they end up working for Jesus." (Pete Briscoe of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrolton, Texas, recalled hearing from someone at a time when he was depressed) Update: I found a similar saying in Oswald Chambers' devotional My Utmost for His Highest: You can read about them at their website, in 2010, Jill and Stuart participated in a book called, "Will the SBC Be Able to Continue to Fund Costly Yet Necessary Sex Abuse Reform in a Transparent Fashion?" I cant speak for Denny Burk, but I do know that he allows for a diversity of opinions to be expressed during the discussions of issues he posts about . As she rose to speak, a number of young men turned their backs on her, showing their disdain for a women teacher. The exact meaning of the Scriptures is essentially unchanged in any important respect in the widely accepted English translations. So how specific does a pastor need to get when revealing a moral failure to the congregation? Bill tensed, getting ready for a blow by blow on just how famous Joe was. And, I think its about time for me to head back there. Briscoe pastors Bent Tree Bible Fellowship, a large congregation in the metro area of Dallas, Texas. 2:14-16; John 16:12-15. Two churches in our area were voted out of the local association for electing women deacons. Stalwart inerrantists like Roger Nicole and Millard Erickson (both egalitarians) were standing for inerrancy at a time when evangelicals were especially in turmoil over the issue (in the 1970s and 80s). Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson thinks he redeemed himself. The real question is *how* the sexes complement one another. Therefore they cannot be ignored by anyone who would understand his age and his people. Apparently women are at fault for joining them, but men are not for starting them. It's okay and normal to feel the loss. My Church has no women priests. They did something for me that helped my ministry. That trajectory suggests that we might reach an ethical ideal that is better than what is reflected in scripture itself. Although dividing is often done for the sake of defending a truth that some find absolutely essential to the witness of the Gospel, it seems to denigrate the churchs witness: division in the church leads to divided Christian witness in the world and the world questions which one of these many denominations holds the truth about Christianitys message. Now whether one calls that sliding down a slippery slope or calls it charging up a challenging hill it is all the same thing. If love is missing, your interpretation is wrong. But at the same time, the impact the person has had on people's lives doesn't diminish the seriousness of the sin, Powell highlighted. If the world sees a divided church, they will see a divided witness as well. I felt really upset but told her and her husband to deal with thisconcern with Pete and the elders. They were both powerhouses. Others turned them over and gave their Bibles to the world. If they want to compare apples to oranges, couldnt just granting women church membership be considered a slippery slope, too? People of my faith dont abrogate obeying their consciences when they are in a position where authority is present quite the opposite. for their decision is at odds with a commitment to the Bibles authority. Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI We sat through some crazy teachings, but this was a Beloved Community. He just decided to sin anyway. I had to eat my Wheaties before each lesson! Thank you, Dee. He believes that only men can be pastors. Quite a few of the members clapped at that and so she was able to get up and talk. I had the same response. He could not fathom how aspiring pastors could be both so cruel toher. BTBF practices church discipline but do so with thoughtfulness and, in so doing, get results. They need to hear it from us first.". A public displaying of the churchs unity is very important to our witness a witness which is not achieved by saying that unity lies merely in the invisible church. To the one who invented this important relationshipGod. Our consciences draw a line as to what we are permitted to do under any authority . And they dont realize they would be so much better off away from the SBC denomination. As she rose to speak, a number of young men turned their backs on her, showing their disdain for a women teacher. I was startled and mumbled something about me being a woman. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. +++++++++++++++. Pete, Stuart and Jill Briscoe. That is something to be thankful for. The church has been in whirlwind of pressures, swindlers, goofballs etc for some times and the only thing that has kept us from flying off the ride has been the Lord, the Bible and thoughtful people as many of you are. Theyve never produced the final and perfect version; despite their best effort. I would rather listen to her over any of the Gospel glitterati, any time, any place. Sorry, my comment may have implied this. 2. The gymnastics required to get from I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man, in the Bible, to I do allow a woman to teach and to exercise authority over a man in the actual practice of the local church, are devastating to the functional authority of the Scripture in the life of the people of God. Im not even sure Pete would label himself or our church as either egalitarian or complementarian. You cant ignore these. Then, I bought a clean copy to start over again! With all respect, okrapod, turn about is fair play. I would love to listen to her preach someday. It was 20 soemthing to 1 and the one was unsure about his vote. Maybe is good; must is bad. Looks good to an undiscerning audience trying to weave it all together, but it results in outright disobedience of clear biblical commands. I dont say this, but St. Paul said this under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He is a truly humble man. We believe the Scriptures are to be interpreted in a normal and literal way and that they are understood as the believer is guided by the Spirit of God. God calls us to repent of our disobedience and obey His commands concerning sex, among them are the commands that 1) woman may not teach and have authority over men, and that 2) man is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the Church. Are you up for it, Denny? I have been wanting to writethis post for a long while but I have waited until Bent Tree Bible Fellowship (BTBF) and Pete Briscoemade the decision to go forward with publicly declaring that they would have women as elders. I am not sure why that happened. I hope to live long enough to hear the Lord tell pastors like that to sit down and shut up, while He hands the mic to others who have something to say. All the things about the period under study that nobody of that time bothered to write down or record because Everybody Knows That!, (You see the same thing in software documentation. At the end of the day, a church will either ordain women pastors or they wont. They want to simulate persecution with the secret House Church meme. Im so happy you had a church experience like that, Dee. During this time, BTBF flew under the radar, unlike Irving Bible Church, a church that was stated by Charles Swindoll. 16 August 1962: Pete Best is fired from The Beatles. @ Lea: * For the record, thatd be Mary Baker Eddy and Ellen G. White. To reject their teaching is to reject the Bible, and because the Bible is literally Gods words, to reject that teaching is to disobey God himself. Did the Apostle Paul have a certain mind-set that Christians everywhere are wise to emulate? I know you are not doing that. It is good to see that you care much for the integrity of the church and the importance of Scripture. "I would love to tell you guys that it's never going to happen to you or maybe just one time but the longer you're in the ministry and frankly the larger your church grows, get ready, the more you're going to have to deal with it. why in the world does he refer to comps as being so precious, so elite, to be treated with such deference and preference, and the complaining when they are not? I think that the church is more like a family than a club, meaning that even if we disagree with one another on some issues and even hurt one another, as a family we do not abandon one another; and it is not like a club where members come and go and create new clubs as they please. @ Patti: The Scriptures are authoritative and without error in any category of knowledge, including science and history, and are of supreme and final authority in all matters about which they speak. It will come as no surprise to you that I concur with Pete Briscoes stance on elders as well as pastors. Some churches held on and went through great persecution. Now there is a scholar who will rock your world! He created marriage to bring us joy, so His instructions are well worth reading. , Jesus didnt die As Ive written before their differences are largely cosmetic. My husband agreed to pray but he said he did not want an introduction and that he did not want MD placed after his name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfsTk5i7mPw. . A priest can. And surely the increasing order of creation must imply that woman, created after man, is superior, just as man is superior to the animals? To respond to your concluding comments, egalitarians do not deny the fatherhood of God. Ok, this is a kind of a sidenote, but Ive seen secret church mentioned before and I just saw somebody link something on facebook. Briscoe and the elders say that they intend to be a conservative church that maintains a tenacious commitment to the Inerrancy of scripture. Bent Tree has had four other successful reconciliations of married couples that had been split by adultery, said the executive pastor, the Rev. . She put herself through Bible College by doing house work and became a Wycliff Bible Translator. I am obligated to submit to the cop, but the cops life is not worth more than mine. It is a lot harder to draw the line, if you even think that should be done, once the slippery slope has begun. God is the Father from Whom all fatherhood in heaven and on earth gets its name. I was the vice chair of the deacons, and was tasked with setting out the process we would follow in making a recommendation to the church. Secondly, I hope and pray that complementarians will study egalitarian theology in its best expressions. Yet, her intelligence was tempered by her devastating wit. I dont know you, and Im making no statement as to your standing with God. Blessings on Bent Tree Bible Fellowship. May the Lord protect you as you labor in this unusual part of the harvest field. Your question sparked something for me that I havent thought about for a long time regarding my thoughts on LGBT in the first place. The video of those precious men just filled my heart full of gratitude and gives me hope for what can be the full functioning of the Body of Christ. "A lot of pastors think they're protecting the congregation by hiding the truth but in so doing they're actually denying what Jesus said. it doesnt bother him that at a complementarian (gah, I hate that word) church you have people there who hold a mutualist or egalitarian position, but their views on the issue have no standing at all where male headship is practiced. Oy. This is well written and a needed message. So many misuses of scripture to drive toward a point that theyre not even remotely speaking to, to arrive at a justification that has no real biblical foundation. Thats simply not what its for. 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